All Aboard Florida Wants More South Florida Stations, Trains

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Is All Aboard Florida trying to kill the proposed Tri-Rail Coastal Link, and instead run their own commuter rail system?

A presentation made at a recent meeting of the South Florida Regional Transportation Authority reveals that All Aboard Florida wants the right to build six stations in South Florida, along with 64 trains per day running every 30 minutes (with the possibility of trains running even more frequently). In addition, AAF says they won’t allow Tri-Rail to operate before opening a minimum of 18 stations.

The SFRTA says that Tri-Rail service is not feasible under those conditions. They want AAF limited to 32 trains per day, and 3 stations in South Florida. They also want AAF fares to be at least double those of Tri-Rail.

The two sides continue negotiations, as AAF wants a non-compete letter from SFRTA finalized for a $1.6 billion Federal Railroad Rehabilitation & Improvement Financing loan. SFRTA will discuss the issue at a meeting tomorrow.

 

 

 

 

27 Comments

  1. DC Copeland

    February 27, 2014 at 1:40 pm

    Considering AAF is funding and building everything without government handouts, the SFRTA should stay the hell out of it. The SFRTA is not a business. What makes it think they know better than Tri-Rail or AAF what to charge or how many stations to build? Let the marketplace determine what fares work best and how many stations are needed.

    • ZachJ305

      February 27, 2014 at 1:54 pm

      “What makes it think they know better than Tri-Rail or AAF” …SFRTA IS Tri-Rail…clearly you don’t know what you’re talking about other than political talking points you’ve been fed. And 6 stations via AAF is hardly the same as 26 stations that the Tri-Rail Coastal Link would provide. 6 stations makes it slightly more convenient for people to ride AAF’s Miami-Orlando route. 26 stations is true commuter rail for South Florida, vastly expanding the population served by transit and making north-south commutes via mass transit actually feasible. AAF is fantastic for the long distance, but it does NOTHING for local commuters. We need both AAF and the Tri-Rail Coastal Link, not one or the other.

      • Anonymous

        February 27, 2014 at 2:19 pm

        Well said ZachJ305

      • DC Copeland

        February 27, 2014 at 5:12 pm

        OMG, you’re right. I apologize. I was thinking of the Miami-Dade MPO. I agree we need both Tri-Rail and AAF but not necessarily on the same tracks. Tri-Rail is a great “inland” solution for those living west of the turnpike in what once was the Everglades. AAF is perfect for the rest of the population on the coast. Adding extra stations on the Miami-Orlando route might slow the commute by a little bit, but not enough to make someone question whether giving up the car was a good idea.

        • David

          February 28, 2014 at 2:54 am

          The beauty of the Coastal Link is that it links the downtowns of dozens of smaller cities and commuter hubs. This expands the urban footprint of South Florida dramatically. The 26 stops includes 6 stops in North Miami alone. There are 12 million yearly passengers on the 7 bus routes that service this corridor (S, 77, 27, 3, 99, 9, 17). No doubt, North Miami will not be included as one of the 3 additional stops for AAF. The same goes for West Palm, which would also lose 6 stops down its most heavily commuted corridor. Heavily utilization was guaranteed by the heavy bus traffic down the route. I don’t think there are any numbers to back up a Boca-downtown Miami commuter rail, though.

          • Adam

            March 3, 2014 at 3:57 pm

            CoastalLink is one of the most cost-effective ways to get people out of the bumper to bumper traffic on US 1 and I-95 and onto transit. It connects the density that was built up around Flagler’s railroad, so the urban “bones” are good, and it will let us get rid of the bleak waste of space surface parking lots in the downtowns. If All Aboard Agrees to add as many stops as the Coastal Link is planning to have, charge a reasonable price, and run 64 trains a day then… okay.

      • Anonymous

        February 27, 2014 at 10:46 pm

        Well said the first pos makes no sense coast tri rail would connect downtown midtown design district aventura ftlauderdale airport etc!!

    • Aldo

      February 27, 2014 at 2:15 pm

      my friend it is costing us, at least 200.00 million to start… http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/02/21/3951531/gov-scott-backs-project-with-ties.html

      • DC Copeland

        February 27, 2014 at 5:24 pm

        According to that link it appears Scott is throwing that 200 million at connecting AAF with the Orlando airport because it makes sense, not because AAF asked for it which an AAF spokesperson made clear by reminding everyone that it was the Orlando airport authority which had asked for the state to kick in some money– much less than what Scott wants to give to the project. As far as I know, AAF is spearheading this whole event of connecting Miami to Orlando and picking up most of the tab. If I’m wrong, I’m sure someone here will let me know in a few well-chosen words dripping with contempt.

        • Anonymous

          March 3, 2014 at 6:42 pm

          regardless of who requested the money, is going to this project and is the right thing, but we should be able to get a lot more since we are already giving 200. mil.

  2. marc

    February 27, 2014 at 3:26 pm

    A question for those in the know. Does Tri Rail have any plans for a direct shot into Downtown Miami or will it stay with its unfortunate route into Hialeah.

    • ZachJ305

      February 27, 2014 at 3:31 pm

      Marc, the Coastal Link, if Built, will come straight into downtown Miami and as far as I know will utilize the same ‘Grand Central Station’ as the AAF trains adjacent to Government Center. You can check out more including maps of the routes etc at tri-railcoastallink.com

  3. J

    February 27, 2014 at 3:31 pm

    Marc, YES! The plan is to open about 26 stations from Downtown Miami to Jupiter in Palm Bch Co. Please go to this link to learn more: http://www.tri-railcoastallink.com

    Why I dont get is that AAF wants to be now the “commuter option” with mere 6 stations. That serves no purpose for those who travel in between main stations. I knew the original plan was too good to be true…

  4. anon

    February 27, 2014 at 5:25 pm

    Too bad rick scott was in office and did not support the original high speed rail plan from tampa to orlando that was to extend to miami. The state would have received lots of money to build it and it would have been high speed as opposed to a quasi intercity/commuter rail that really sounds like it may end up being neither. And all aboard will probably charge outrageously higher fees to ride its quasi commuter rail because it is private making it less attractive. Those behind all aboard appear to be sabotaging true commuter rail through the coastal cities.

    • Afi K. James

      February 27, 2014 at 7:49 pm

      Because the original HSR plan would be horrible for taxpayers.

  5. Anonymous

    February 28, 2014 at 3:00 pm

    Afi K. James, the original HSR actually cost taxpayers more not to do it, than to build it. Even FDOT studies found it would have been profitable and the first segment was to be paid for by federal taxes. Instead, that money went elsewhere. Know your facts before you make a statement.

    • Afi K. James

      February 28, 2014 at 5:39 pm

      By using our taxpayer money, I Don’t think so, that’s why I Oppose it
      it was too much pork, $2.8. billion, so know your facts before you talk.

      i’m sick of federal government spending, it brings more bankruptcy’s

  6. Anonymous

    February 28, 2014 at 10:08 pm

    I think this conversation has more political than anything else . the fact is that the coastal link will provide mass transit to a corridor that really needs it. All these communities should have access to to mass transit in the long run we will all save money and enjoy a batter quality of live do to less impact on the environment, roads not needing to be widen and repaired as much and the economic impact at all the 26 stops which will generate new business and employment thus generating new opportunities for all. so i say this is an investment that we can not afford not to make.

  7. Juan Carlos Contreras

    March 1, 2014 at 9:59 am

    Ugh, this state is appalling. We’ll never get greater rail transit in Miami with this kind of leadership.

  8. TooGoodToBeTrue

    March 1, 2014 at 8:52 pm

    After our new governor took office, there was talk about privatizing tri-rail…SFRTA resisted and the ruckus died down. Now true intentions are being revealed. Would be nice to have coastal link, but it seems there’s an alternate plan.

  9. Anonymous

    March 2, 2014 at 8:01 am

    All should check out SB 642. AAF is asking for money. There is a petition called not all aboard Florida if interested.

  10. Anon

    March 2, 2014 at 5:28 pm

    SB 642 was introduced Jan. 2014 by Sen. Brandes.

    Transportation Corporation
    ActGeneral Bill by Brandes
    Florida Transportation Corporation Act: Repealing a provision relating to the authority of the Auditor General to conduct audits of transportation corporations authorized under the Florida Transportation Corporation Act; repealing a provision relating to the type, structure, and income of an authorized transportation corporation; repealing a provision relating to the contract between the Department of Transportation and an authorized transportation corporation; repealing a provision relating to the board of directors and advisory directors of an authorized transportation corporation, etc.
    Effective Date: 07/01/2014

    http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2014/0642

  11. FEC Corridor

    March 8, 2014 at 11:45 am

    The FEC Corridor has been available for decades. Why don’t the owners of the FEC Corridor invest in the right-of-way and start planning and operating a commuter rail line? It is way overdue.

  12. mariav

    March 14, 2014 at 6:20 am

    We need a change in the transit system..it is outdated and serves no purpose at all…I was trying to save money and decided to go back and forth from Fort Lauderdale airport station to Downtown miami…just to drop off a document…what a waste of time it was!It took my whole day between waiting for the tri rail(no,no)…to conmmute into metrorail and lastly taking the metromover…I left home at 10am and came back at 5pm!!!one day dropping of a document!

  13. P. Smith

    March 21, 2014 at 3:03 pm

    My husband and I do NOT want this rail service. We are already annoyed day and night in Tequesta with the sirens and interruption of traffic flow that we experience with the existing freight train service.

    • Gregory

      March 21, 2014 at 8:49 pm

      Taking thousands of cars off the road is more beneficial.

    • Anonymous

      April 2, 2014 at 5:48 pm

      Did you buy your house first and then they built the tracks? I dont think so, you bought your house knowing there are railroad tracks right there. Youre the exact typical NIMBY that nobody likes. Unless youre trolling but either way NIMBY to the max and you brought nothing constructive to the table.

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